Kamael History (ongoing discussion)

[zethrodraithius]

Well, what if they themselves had done a ritual to open their dimensional prison? because if the giants made them, and said giants are dead. If assuming that the dimensional fold was to protect them the gods, then the gods wouldn't know anything about the kamael to let them out. Wouldn't that make sense if the giants were at war/odds with the gods at some point?

The Kamael would've had to perform some sort of ritual to open the dimensional seal since the giants are in theory dead and the gods weren't in the know about the kamael in the first place.

What I got from the npcs was that the gods had opened the dimensional trap to allow the Kamael to be free. But if what has been said earlier in the thread is true and giants did create them, then how could the god's have opened the Isle of Souls when it is implied they knew nothing of the Kamael's existence?

Just making a point that I dont think many have pondered upon.

[ValerieRose]

Actually the information about their freeing came with the Gracia update, it was a mistake from Eva (another one). She freed them thinking she was doing a good thing. I can't remember now where you can seek for that information, perhaps people that are still playing the game can help you with that, I honestly can't remember now where I read that.

It wasn't something that the Gods wanted to do, or it wasn't any Kamael ritual either, it was more another one of Eva's mess-ups. Heh

[zethrodraithius]

Well, for the sake of roleplay, at least for my avatar pictured character, let's say there was a ritual that mistakenly called Eva and thusly opened the seal. Perhaps said unimplied ritual got Eva's attention somehow. I dont think the lore is specific enough really. but thats me.

That and remember too, that what we get from the Lore is likely to be filtered from what the story line planning wanted to put in in the first place.

If Eva made a mistake in opening the seal, ok, so curiousity killed the cat so to speak. Maybe Eva thought a soul needed help, and thats why she opened the seal. In my mind, this is simply a logical explaination of events. I apologize if it seems like I'm defending my idea a bit strenuously.

[Maireth]

Wait.... Eva actually did something?
From what I remember, she shunned duties as a goddess, and just wanted to be an aloof child...
Then again, could be the dark elf mindset taking over...
<Wanders off to sacrifice a human.>

[ValerieRose]

Well.. she did something, doesn't mean it was the right thing to do

But yeah, she did set the Kamael free thinking it was a good thing, when it fact, it wasn't good at all for the Gods.

And Zethro, the problem with creating your own version of the facts is that other people that RP Kamaels might not follow the same pattern. So you might have conflicts when/if you meet other roleplaying Kamaels that don't follow what you have determined for your character.

[zethrodraithius]

That is true, but I likely won't meet many other roleplaying Kamael generally as it is who will bring up that sort of discussion of the past. If said Kamael want to accept the vague liquified version of their history, thats certainly fine with me. I'm just attempting to filter out some of the mud thats at the bottom of waterglass for a clearer version.

The point I made earlier Val, was that if the reason is never stated for something, than there is more to the story that is not being told at all. Perhaps I have trouble with the assumption thats been made with Eva unsealing the Kamael just out of the goodness of her heart. Where's the underlying reason why Eva came and unsealed the Isle of Souls? How did it come to pass?

Another point is that "If certain things are not brought out or hinted at by the npcs, then why should it be considered?" is not necessarily the correct path. Nothing has been said about how Eva was attracted to decide to open the seal, So its not wrong for one to ask what the events were that led to Eva's opening... Or is it?

What you seem to be saying is that is wrong for me to be operating from a different standpoint because it doesn't jive with what ingame npcs have said or whats been posted as lore on the official site.

Maybe we can agree on that the Kamael decided to bury this issue and forced those who may have been in the know to any major extent to take an oath of silence on the issue and hence the Dy' Xarajon family has taken to hiding for the most part as they are political outcasts from the current Kamael administration, Just due to the involvement that they've had in the past.. Its the "If you say nothing, we'll let you be" kind of thing...

That should suit every Kamael in the roleplaying business just fine.

[spudnik]

it would suit the roleplaying Kamaels just fine if it was something published, but given nothing IS published, all RPing kamaels that have filled in this blank spot will have filled it in as they will, and not under a universally accepted umbrella.

what i suggest you to do, is make this point only should the issue rear its head in conversation; or, if that doesnt suit you, maybe make it lafyel's drive in life. to preach this on the mountain side... if you will.

it isnt wrong to invent stuff, but remember we arent the only RPing clan, there are some others. there are also others that DONT formally rp but might have conflicting ideas about this point. and it may surprise you how many rping kamaels there are.

hell, i invented a character that was involved in the trapping of baium on toi 13... ive made sh!t up. but it really didnt fly.

then again, theres likely a lot of lore for you to find out at your level 76 class change; stick to your guns until you can break through to this side of the game... it will be long and hard but you will get there. a lot of the game is level 7x and higher. future patches may also shed some light on this; possible, improbable though.

[ValerieRose]

Actually there's explanation on the reasons why Eva broke the seal, it had something to do with protecting the Gods, if I'm not mistaken, but it's been a while since I read it, and I can't remember exactly where I read it, but somewhere in the explanations of Kamalokas, maybe? Perhaps Olo can help more in this case since he's a living lore encyclopedia (I never knew how he could remember all that he knows!!). I can't remember now the link, or I'd give it to you.

And what Spuddy said is what I was trying to say. I used to RP two Kamaels when I was playing Lineage 2. And my Kamaels didn't have the same idea as yours, so what would happen in the case they happened to meet? There would be conflicting stories since you're creating something that your Kamaels follow, but that isn't common knowledge, and it's not restricted to your character only, it's about the whole race. So you might end up finding that other Kamaels might not agree with the path you decided to follow. You can't really establish "common" lore to your character and expect other characters to be on the same level of understanding, since it's something you created for your character history, and not common knowledge

Of course, in all honesty, the chances that you might find roleplayed Kamaels might be slim, but if Isane, for example, is still playing, she might have a different opinion about the Kamael background lore (I'm not really sure what she followed, to be honest). You have to keep that in mind in case you do find them. You would have found them if I still played the game, for example. And we would have conflicting "theories" from what my Kamaels believed in and what your Kamael believe in.

It's a complicated issue, really. Most of the Kamael lore isn't found on the website (Unless they updated it), it's found through many quests that you will find in the Kamael Village (if you haven't yet), and later on the third-class change quest. There's more about them as well in the explanations of Kamalokas, I Remember reading it somewhere. Perhaps the Gracia Part II site.

As Spuddy said, you might want to keep it, but you have to be prepared in case you do end up crossing paths with another roleplaying Kamael that will not agree with the story you've created for the lore, since the Kamaels are supposed to be the part of the same lore.

[zethrodraithius]

Your point has been made I guess... Which brings me to the question "why cant we all just agree on one thing?" But I suppose that is a true impossibility as no one can ever completely agree fully with anything another says or does.

Just going to have to approach the issue with caution I suppose.

[Sadori]

The Council is offering a reward to the first person to consolidate and research the Kamael history available up to and including GoD.


The challenge:

1. Consolidate the Kamael information contained in this thread.

2. Research the information we have and locate new information via game and internet resources.

3. Put the information in a format that is chronological and easy to read. Screenshots are hugely appreciated.

4. Either add the information to the EoD wiki or get it to one of the Council Members for review and posting to the wiki.


Reward is to be determined.

[ValerieRose]

Bah!

I'll have to see if I still have my old screenies, considering I contributed a lot with this thread from the old in-game lore that cannot be found anymore. I don't know if I can do what was required, but I can aid whoever will step into it if I still have the old screenies, which I'm not sure I do. It's likely I don't as I lost everything in many HD crashes

[ValerieRose]

Alright, update on this, I have all the subclass quest screened, and the Seed of Chaos quest explains the whole story behind the creation of the Kamael and all the lore related to the race.

Pretty interesting. I will compile it in a zip for those that are interested. I'm not sure how we would insert it in the wiki, a simple transcription or written with our words?

[Sadori]

Whichever you feel most comfortable doing. The important thing is that the information gets put up there.

[ValerieRose]

I'll see what I can do!

[Kuros]

Val if possible send a copy to me as well. I would like to read it when it's all compiled. Thank you.

[Ewald]

As I'm dunking a biscuit in my tea and writing this message, I feel like I'm walking straight into the Lion's den...

I have looked at the history and tried compiling it as well as I could. Goddess of Destruction (that is to say NCsoft) is making things hard. Well, harder. Especially when the new lore contradicts the old one. But that's something the NPCs were good at on their own. Especially Kamael NPCs. I have created a Talk page on the wiki and posted my compilation, so it could be reviewed and edited (and please excuse my bad English). If there's anything you don't understand, ask and I'll try to elaborate and explain, in order to make the text as clear as possible. I hope that Valerie won't kill me.

Everything in the history, i.e. up to the unsealing, is part of the so called Hidden History (or Erased or Forgotten or Lost, as you like it). Meaning that the whole history of Kamael is hidden from other races and carefully protected. Even from the Kamael themselves, actually. They learn the truth as they progress (level up) and grow in power, so they would be able to protect it at the same time. Well, not any more... but never mind. I'm trying to write something about their culture for the wiki, so I'll include that as soon as I'm finished.

Well... fire at will.

Talk:Kamael

[Olorae]

I think it looks great! Barring any objection from the others, I say make it live!

[Kuros]

Well done, I must say I am very impressed!

[Ewald]

It's been more than two weeks, I know! I repent. I've been too busy at work and consequently, too tired to write. My lack of energy, creativity and articulacy is apparent from the new text. Sadly, it is something I couldn't solve by ordering extra-shots in my coffee.

It still needs some work, but not too much. I hope. Links and so on... some parts are still in need of retouching. I haven't changed the History part, the description of individual classes is from the original text. I've just added a preface. Overall, this much is what I've found out about the Kamael as a race. If someone would kindly check the grammar, style and structure, it would be very appreciated. Edit the text yourself, if you want. Should you have any comments or criticism, do tell me, please. Either way, I wish you pleasurable reading. ^^

Re-posted link: Talk:Kamael

[Kuros]

Great work Ewald, I enjoyed it and it was quite informative actually! Under the enemy section however, you might as well add Shilen to the list of enemies. In the Bloody Good Time quest series you find out from Vice Heirarch Casca that many Kamaels hate Shilen for what she did to the Isle of Souls.

[Ewald]

Ah, thank you for that. I will. I'm trying to get to those quests. (But since I've started playing on Chronos at the beginning of July, I'm only half way to the 72th level, which isn't nearly enough...) I hope I'll be able to lay my hands on more GoD info soon. By the way... what are you doing there on the Fantasy Isle?

[Kuros]

If you wish I can mentor you so you get an xp boost, just message Kuros or Lithillia. As for being on the Isle, it's where I leave my toons on afk so that my mentees get their buffs and xp boosts.

[Ewald]

Paging Dr Chaos

As some of you may know, there’s another update coming up – the “Glory Days”. With its coming, there are going to be some changes to the now quite deserted Isle of Souls, as well as possible changes to the future of the Kamael society.

The official info is that what was once first the low-level hunting ground is going to be (mostly?) changed into 92-99 level hunting grounds, accessible from the Harbour. The fields themselves will be suited for a single hunter or a small group, Nornil’s Cave for small parties and what I’m not so sure about is the Garden, which might be a Raid Boss underground instance. Maybe hosting the lovely Final Form Spicula, showed on the picture below? Not sure.

I don’t really get much of it, since the Google-translated Korean isn’t very... understandable. The fields and the Cave should both be filled with roaming (notice, male-only) Spicula Kamael – created by malfunctioned Nornil. I don’t know why Mother Nornil is malfunctioned, but she seems to have switched into a hostile and defensive mode. Now, there are also some (malfunctioned) golems. I'm not sure to whom they belong, since both the Black Anvil guild and the beloved Dr Chaos are somehow involved. My bet is on the Doc. And there will be quests. Something with trying to eliminate the malfunction and so on.

My guess is that (the greedy and maniacal) Dr Chaos was trying to lay his hands on some more secrets of the Giants, taking advantage of the deserted state of the Isle. And somehow, during his actions, something went wrong (or was is deliberate?) and Mother Nornil went gaga. It would be logical that the Black Anvil guild would try to rectify this, as they will be occupying the Harbour. The last thing on my mind is that the secrets of Kamael might finally be uncovered to the whole world. But that’s just a wild guess. We shall see.

[Kuros]

Very nice find, I'm really interested to see exactly how this all happened.

[Olorae]

How very curious!